I've just read Scared's post and can't stop laughing. Oh dear - you've really gone over the top now haven't you. I've made sure I got a copy of what you've written before you decide better of it and delete what you've said. I know exacly who you are.
As for the content of your post, well what a lot of rubbish. I'm all for expressing your own opinions. But to accuse Mrs Lancaster as being unapproachable - absolutely NOT. I certainly didn't agree with all of Mrs L's decisions, but she would always listen to any disagreements and explain why she felt differently. And whenever (without exception) I asked to speak to her she would make herself available. This is totally unlike my experience with Mrs Coupe who has cancelled meetings or fobbed me off with someone else on numerous occassions. Maybe if you put the scenario you are talking about into context it may all become clear. After all Mrs Lancaster expected dedicated hard working staff at Marton. _________________ Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.
Albert Einstein
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Oh forgot to say - my previous post also applies to concernred. Oh - but you already know that don't you? _________________ Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.
hs, before worrying about how stressed Mrs Coupe must be, give a little thought to Mrs Alderson, who has been suspended now for 8 months without charge - now THAT's stressful. Think, too, about staff who have been severely stressed over the past seventeen months, frightened to speak up, overloaded with work, worrying about their friends and colleagues who have gone off work with stress.
I don't think there is any comparison. _________________ EVENTUALLY THE TRUTH WILL OUT, JUSTICE WILL BE DONE.
Scared, if you read my post again, you will see that I was in no way threatening you, I was simply asking why you were posting under the pseudonym, "scared". I said that if you are a supporter of Mrs Coupe then you don't need to be scared, as these people seem to be protected at the moment. When the truth comes out they will no longer feel as protected. I apologise if you felt threatened. That honestly was not my intention.
Yes, this is a forum, based on opinions. Those opinions are sometimes backed up by fact ("fact - noun, thing known to be true; deed, reality"). What I was saying was, those were your comments, not facts. These are my comments, not fact.
As for your comment that you not having seen the evidence I talk about, if you look back at my post, you will see I have given you just such an opportunity. I can't do more than that. It is up to you if you want to bury your head in the sand. I have seen the evidence, which is how I can substantiate my claims, and it appears, you can't.
Of course you don't have to justify yourself to me or to anyone else, but it if you enter into a debate, it does help if you have something to substantiate what you are saying. You are merely getting the reaction that anyone should expect when entering into a debate - discussion, disagreement, questioning. This is what a debate is. We don't all agree, but nothing will ever be resolved unless we are prepared to discuss things. That is why I hope you DO continue to post on this board. I would love you to persuade me that everything is as it should be at Marton.
Backed up with evidence, of course. _________________ EVENTUALLY THE TRUTH WILL OUT, JUSTICE WILL BE DONE.
Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 5:51 pm Post subject: At last
AT LAST - someone who is willing to speak out for the school !
Mr Lund would not answer questions. Mrs Coupe has kept quiet. Mr Turner simply threw insults.
Please try to convince me to change my mind then about Marton and talk to us about all the things which have concerned us.
You support Mrs Coupe so you must have some idea then why Mrs alderson was suspended without charge ?
Please tell us why you think it is that the rate of supply cover has been the highest it has ever been ? Costing a fortune.
Can you explain why the inspection in April was so bad. Thank goodness there was some improvement in the Autumn term - but the school is still nowhere at the level it was before Mrs Coupe's changes.
Did you look at the last HMI report - there is still MUCH to do. Can you explain this. The HMI stated that improvements were down to "the large input by the CSA" - not the staff or the head. Why was this ?
Why was there such a dramatic fall off in teaching standards since the last inspection ?
Why were proper procedures not followed regarding the teacher who downloaded porn ?
Why has Mr Hill never been investigated ? Can you reassure me that there are no other web pages of his on the net ?
Could you tell me why a headteacher needed her husband, a police officer, at a school meeting to take notes when governors or staff could equally have done this ? Why does she refuse anyone acces to these notes ?
Can you explain why, 18 months after building was due to begin there is still no MUGA, and it looks likely that this money has been lost to school and the community ?
Can you explain why SATs scores dropped this year, while those at Mrs Coupe's old school rose following changes made there after she left ?
You are lucky that your daughters are happy. Do you realise how many staff have been in year 6 this year ?
Please can you tell me why so many parents took their children away from Marton last year - BEFORE the forum and the action group ever existed ?
So I say again, thank you for entering this forum. Perhaps now if, as you say you are to be positive, could you provide some answers to questions which have been asked over and over and over .......
The questions above are merely a selection. The rest are on the forum in many places. To repeat what I have posted on many occasions. This forum and the action group came about LONG AFTER it became noticeable that all was not right at Marton. A whole year went by before people realised this.
Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:09 pm Post subject: Dear Scared
Dear Scared,
I hope you read this.
what a shame you deleted your posts. I contacted the postmaster to ask for them to be edited NOT deleted. I look for positive contributions on the forum NOT personal attacks. The action group have obviously come to expect this from Mr Lund and Mr Turner but it is not acceptable by ANYONE on the forum, no matter which side.
I'm afraid removing your posts after questions have been asked of you follows the same pattern of behaviour as Mrs Coupe, Mr Lund and Mr Turner. If there are no answers they go on the attack - or hide away, as you have just done. You have missed a golden opportunity to try to set the record straight for school. Others have joined the forum in support of the school - why not support them and try provide answers to all the questions which have been asked over the past 6 months, with some evidence that, in fact, the action group has got it wrong.
Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:38 pm Post subject: Message for hs
I too am pleased that your 2 daughters are happy at Marton. However, would you be happy if you discovered that they had happened to see graphic images/videos on the internet that they should certainly not be viewing? I have checked this story out and it is true. It did happen. And more than once by all accounts. I certainly wouldn't want my son or daughter anywhere near a computer at Marton. This is my opinion based on facts! _________________ Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.
Hmmm.....wonder why Scared removed the posts? Could it be that there were lies contained in them? Could it be that there were libellous (definition - false and malicious: constituting or containing a false and malicious published statement that damages somebody's reputation) comments made. Too late - the points were entered on a public forum and many people read them. If anyone has Mrs Lancaster's address could they send it to me please (private message) and I will send her a copy of what was published. _________________ Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.
Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 8:36 pm Post subject: FAO Andrea Smith, scared, concerned and hs
This is addressed specifically to Andrea Smith, scared, concerned and hs.
There are obviously many issues surrounding Marton but as an interested teacher viewing this forum I can see that things have suddenly become far more serious as far as other teachers are concerned. You state that you are speaking positively for the school and supporting Mrs Coupe, the headteacher. Can you please explain why she was party to Mr Turner's outburst at the staff only days before some of those staff most certainly were due to appear at a hearing regarding Mrs Alderson ?
This is an issue which concerns ALL teachers in Blackpool - if head teachers and governors are allowed to intimidate staff in this way. I fear now that Mrs Coupe will not find herself the centre of only local interest but also within the Blackpool authority and even nationally. You may support Mrs Coupe but I am quite certain that teacher unions will have a comment to make.
I do not know what jobs you, your spouses or family have, but it is the right of any employee to expect confidentiality until a hearing - which Mrs Coupe and Mr Turner ignored, and to expect a fair hearing - which was no longer possible after Mr Turner's outburst.
I for one will be contacting my union over the Marton matter and I will advise my colleagues to do the same.
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:22 am Post subject: again the attacks
I have just read some of these latest postings on this site. Why must you always attack anyone who supports school. You ask us to post then insult us when we do.
I agree with you that Mrs Lancaster was very apporoachable but I also find Mrs Coupe very apporoachable. But unlike Mrs Lancaster, Mrs Coupe has not been supported or allowed to do her job. As for her having to spend so much time out of school perhaps she would not have to if you left her to get on with her job. As for Mr Coupe being at school to supoort his with regardless of whether he should have been there or not GOOD FOR HIM it shows me that he supports her and that was all. Is this not what a husband should do. He was not there as PC Coupe but to support his wife. He has my full backing on that she needs all the support she can get. He also spends a lot of time at school when we have PTFA events calling bingo and helping out.
As for saying Mrs Coupe is not a victim I think she is. She has been a victim since taking over at school. It seems to me that some people are doing to Mrs Coupe just what they are accussing her of BULLING.
You all say that the real victim is Mrs Alderson we can not say this until after her hearing can we. If then it is proved that what happened was wrong, then lets feel sorry for Mrs Alderson. And before any one says anything no I have nothing against Mrs Alderson.
However Mrs Coupe and anyone who is seen to support her has suffered at the hands of some of the MSAG supporters. Mrs Coupe must have been under tremendous pressure whilst this has all been going on. Taking over a new school must have been hard enough but to have walked into this well I for one would not have stayed.
MRS COUPE I HOPE YOU READ THIS WELL DONE AND KEEP SMILING.
If what Lisa says about things on computers is correct then no I would not like my daughter to see these things but she would I hope go and tell the teacher what had come up and not carry on looking at it. I can't remember if Lisa said that the parent had gone into school to see about this?
Next you all keep telling us so many of the teachers are not happy at school then why do they not all stand together and speak out. They could not all be suspended without it being looked into and after all this is what you all say you are after. I would perhaps listen more to you if the teachers that are speaking to you would come out and speak to the rest of us in person not as they are on this web site under false names. This makes me think that it is only a couple that are not happy and is that not the case in all work places.
I have not seen any of the evidence you say you have against Mrs Coupe. I can not comment on what you say about her bulling tacticts at school as I do not work with her but if I did and she was like this I would leave and go else where. I have worked in places and have always understood that when there I was there to do as my employer told me to do. As long as it was reasonable and not putting me or others in danger. Is this not the case any longer. If so is Mrs Coupe not the boss at school.
I have also read the comment on all the postings of school supporters looking the same what is meant by this. Come on!!!!!! Can nobody but MSAG Supporters be capable of thinking for themselves and posting on this web site but I do think I have heard this before.
I would also like to know how many in the MSAG have children at school. From reading some of them and looking at the names of the ones that use names not very many.
I am glad that others have started to post on this site insupport of school as I am told there are not many of us out there.
I also would really like to know who is feeding all the information to the group and why they can't be brave enough to come out and speak to all parents. If the school is in the state that you say on here would whoever it is not think that the best thing to do is tell all regardless of what would happen to them.
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:41 am Post subject: Postings of scared, concernred and hs
Firstly, I would once again like to repond to the accusation of scared regarding supporters of Mrs Coupe not being able to post on this site. I can categorically state that I do not prevent anyone from posting on this site. Everyone who registers with a legitimate email address is able to post.
Secondly, I would like to state that all comments are welcome on this site. All I ask is that you look at the rules of the forum before posting.
However, some posts seem to be made with conflict in mind and you have to question the truth behind them. I would like to state now, that all the comments made on this site which are seen as against Mrs Coupe, et al, I have personally seen evidence to back up the claims. Once again all the comments made on this site which are seen as against Mrs Coupe, et al, I have personally seen evidence to back up the claims.
For that reason, I would be more than happy to receive whatever evidence supporters of Mrs Coupe et al have to support their claims.
Finally, regarding the post of scared. I think it is important to point out that scared, hs and concernred were in fact the same person. I would like to point out that this is not the way to 'support' Mrs Coupe. I think for a Teacher to make a post which was antagonistic in its nature and then pose as two totally fictitious characters to try and support her own view again must bring in to question what is going on at Marton School. If the supporters of Mrs Coupe et al are seen to be deceitful, scheming and completely unreliable with questionable morals and judgement, this cannot do anything apart from damage things further. If a person can lie on this site, where else might they have lied to support Mrs Coupe.
I would urge any supporters of Mrs Coupe et al to still come forward, but be mindful of how you represent yourself and your cause.
Remember, this site was set-up for serious discussion, not to be a place of fun and frivolity.
Thank you - and carry on posting.
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"I have just read some of these latest postings on this site. Why must you always attack anyone who supports school. You ask us to post then insult us when we do."
Peacock, you seem to be exceptionally sensitive. The people who have posted on this site in support of Mrs Coupe have been questioned, not attacked. As I said before, this is a discussion forum - people debate and disagree. If they disagree with you, please don't mistake this for an attack. If somebody posts an illogical comment, then they will be questioned. This happens from both sides.
This argument now seems to be going round in circles. "Scared" yesterday posted some comments, which I questioned and disagreed with. I put forward my reasons and asked her for evidence to back up her claims. She took this as an attack and removed her posts. That's not going to get us anywhere. Unfortunately, this is exactly what many of us have been up against with higher authorities from day one.
I think those of us who know Mrs Alderson better than you do, are quite entitled to see her as a victim in all this. If you care to look back at her long teaching record you will see it is unblemished and exemplary. And do you honestly think she is going to get a fair hearing after Mr Turner, Chair of Governors has been talking about it so publicly (most recently in the Blackpool Gazette last night). This is supposed to be confidential information, although it is obvious that many more people know far more about it than they should.
"Taking over a new school must have been hard enough but to have walked into this well I for one would not have stayed."
Peacock, Mrs Coupe walked into a happy, united, caring, popular, well-respected school. The fact that it changed very rapidly was of her own doing.
How would you feel if your daughter had been looking at inappropriate images on the computer, told her teacher, but nothing was done about it? Would you just sit back and say, "fine" or would you pursue the matter? I would imagine, as a caring parent, you would pursue the matter, which is precisely what these parents have done, and STILL not got a satisfactory answer. Would you be happy to put your child at risk every day she is in school, near a computer? I doubt it.
You ask why teachers won't stick together and speak out if they are unhappy. Perhaps you have never been in a situation where you have been scared to open your mouth in case it goes against you, in case you are treated unfairly, in case, ultimately, you lose your job. That's what happens in bullying situations. You say if you were bullied you would leave. If your child was being bullied would you remove her from school immediately, or would you complain about the bullying? Again, as a caring parent, I think you would complain and try and get the situation resolved. Which is exactly what some people have tried to do - to no avail.
"I have also read the comment on all the postings of school supporters looking the same what is meant by this."
If you read the post carefully you will see I was commenting not on looks but on writing style: "I do find it strange that the writing style of all Mrs Coupe's supporters is surprisingly similar....."
Having just read admin's post (above), it now becomes obvious why this is the case - one person (a teacher, so she says) posting under three different usernames to get across her point! No wonder it appears that more of Mrs Coupe's supporters are now posting on this website. I should be very wary, Peacock, of trusting any of her supporters, if this is the sort of devious activity they get up to.
"I also would really like to know who is feeding all the information to the group and why they can't be brave enough to come out and speak to all parents. If the school is in the state that you say on here would whoever it is not think that the best thing to do is tell all regardless of what would happen to them."
The information IS available to all parents, through the MSAG. Why should anybody else come out and speak to all parents....."regardless of what would happen to them"? Look at what happened to Mrs Alderson when she spoke up, look at what happened to Mrs Connor when she spoke up, look what happened to a governor when he spoke up - and there are many many more casualties that you won't even know about until the truth really does come out.
When people stop being taken in by superficial smiles and false information, and, instead, start to question WHY this situation arose in the first place, then maybe they will begin to realise why MSAG and many other individuals will not give up in their quest to get to the truth. _________________ EVENTUALLY THE TRUTH WILL OUT, JUSTICE WILL BE DONE.
I don't feel i need to say much more in reply to some of the postings on this subject in recent days. I do feel though that i should address one of the issues raised by Peacock. Yes Mr.Coupe should support his wife, but the meeting in question was with regards to The Ofsted Action Plan and in light of events at the time security was present and entry was only for those with a ticket. My point is my child has two parents yet only one of us was allowed to attend, how is it then appropriate that Mr. Coupe should be entitled to attend when many parents were not.
I also attended the meeting at the Church Hall held by the Marton Action Group. I witnessed first hand how supporters of Mrs Coupe, who i am not suggesting were instructed to attend, reacted as topics were raised. They shouted above those TALKING and were intimidating, yes they have children who attend Marton but was shocking was that they WORK in the school. How does this create the environment needed to encourage some staff (let alone parents) feel confident that they can approach anyone at Marton.
Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 3:46 pm Post subject: Withdrawal of post
Oops - I spoke to soon in saying in my post above that at last we had someone who might answer a few questions for us. Might have known it was too good to be true. Once anyone is asked to answer anything they disappear.
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